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[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:49 +0200 ] [ 823385 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:33:05 +0100, this_address_is_for_spam@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote: >Magda wrote: > >> Try crossing the border once in a while. > >Well, I can't be alone in rarely carrying ID in countries which require >it. The only time I was challenged, I've mentioned before- was in...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:59:23 +0200 ] [ 823384 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:17:33 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:15:25 +0200, Magda >wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:05:03 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) >>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : >> ... >It can if you have an alibi. Your identity is not someone else's. >> ... >> ... Eh? ...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:58:11 +0200 ] [ 823383 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:34:14 +0100, this_address_is_for_spam@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote: >Jim Ley wrote: > >[] >> Nope, it's extremely common, and the Inland revenue are also happy >> with dealing with Jim Ley, why do you assume otherwise? > >Heh- you could call yourself King Kong, as long a...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:57:28 +0200 ] [ 823382 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:51:29 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:55:34 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen" > wrote: >. You blew off the issue >>about appearing in court and using an alias as non issue since you have >>never been a sworn witness in court. The original question by you was ...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:42 GMT ] [ 823381 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:44:10 +0200, Martin wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:57:24 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >>Now as you've shown you're happy to say things which you don't know, >>I'm not very likely to trust that all the other countries of the EU >>also have ID cards based on your assertion. > >I said "infrastructure exists" So the infrastructure ...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:50:46 +0200 ] [ 823380 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Tom Peel - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - Jim Ley wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:35:56 +0200, Magda > wrote: > > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:29:25 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Frank F. Matthews" >> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : >> >>... Magda, there is a broad reach from anarchy to totalitarian control. >>... >>... For the most part I find it...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:44:10 +0200 ] [ 823379 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:57:24 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:47:47 +0200, Martin wrote: > >>b) The 50,000 had already committed some sort of offence >>- drunken driving >>- pissing in public > >All of them? > >>c) The infrastructure for IDs exists all over the EU except in UK. > >What ID card is there in Ireland? > >see ...
[ 29 Sep 2005 02:25:43 -0700 ] [ 823377 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
"george" - Re: Accomadation Bavaria at Christmas Zeit? - Marc wrote: We will want to see Rothenburg and Neuschwanstein Can you make any recomendations for accomadations or activities or sites? The Villa Jaegerhaus in Hohenschwangau is wonderful for its views of Neuschwanstein Castle. It's an excellent hotel and the food is also excellent. Make sure to get a room on the upper floor facing Neuschwanstein Castle and not facing Hohensch...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:23:43 +0100 ] [ 823376 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
mike o'sullivan - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - al-Farrob wrote: > >>How can I put this in a simple enough way! How about this - I'm a >>freeborn law-abiding Englishman. I know who I am, and unless I break the >>law, do not feel it necessary to prove my identity in order to be >>allowed to live my life in peace. > > I understand the english point of view. But.... in Portugal we still have an > ID Card with photo and fingertips...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:18:41 GMT ] [ 823375 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:57:24 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:47:47 +0200, Martin wrote: >>d) 10 billion is exactly how much per head? > >Surely the maths is quite simple... 9.7% of a 24 year old on Job Seekers Allowance 5.2% of the Basic State Pension 2.5% of the gross earnings of someone on the minimum wage. For luckier pe...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:15:47 +0100 ] [ 823374 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
mike o'sullivan - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy wrote: > Magda wrote: > > [] > >>I have carried ID all times since I turned 18 and have never given it a >>second thought. Perhaps the paranoid members of this group can tell me >>what's the fuss all about? > > > I forgot my staff ID when I went into college today. It w...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:11:31 +0100 ] [ 823373 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
mike o'sullivan - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - Go Fig wrote: > > Humm... the government (Crown) grants you your Rights. The U.S. > Constitution was a break from this whereby the Rights/Privileges are > expressly given to the State by the people. > But we have something rather older, Magna Carta, followed by the Bill of Rights of 1689, the main provisions of which were incorporated in admittedly more comprehensive US Consti...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:05:56 +0100 ] [ 823372 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
mike o'sullivan - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com wrote: > Magda wrote: > >>On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:01:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, mike o'sullivan >> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : > > [snip] > >> ... If I'm doing nothing wrong, why should the police even consider asking >> ... for proof of identity? >> >>In case they catch you red-handed, little angel......
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:57:24 GMT ] [ 823371 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:47:47 +0200, Martin wrote: >b) The 50,000 had already committed some sort of offence >- drunken driving >- pissing in public All of them? >c) The infrastructure for IDs exists all over the EU except in UK. What ID card is there in Ireland? see e.g. for Ireland politicians dislike of the UK system. < http://archives.tcm.ie/iris...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:01 +0100 ] [ 823368 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
"Keith W" - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - "Magda" wrote in message news:929mj1156m8biibsodhrbv5u7oienlqlds@4ax.com... > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:03:55 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Keith W" > arranged some electrons, so they > looked like this : > ... > ... The law states I'm innocent until proven guilty, I am not in > ... favour of reversing the burden of pr...
[ Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:47:47 +0200 ] [ 823367 ] [ rec.travel.europe ] [ view full article ]
Martin - Re: ID card clampdown by Dutch police - On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:25:37 GMT, jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote: >So everyone who forgets their ID card will be treated as terrorists - >the Dutch have had 60,000 this year, there are 1/5th the number of >Dutch as British - so that would suggest the British might get 300,000 >a year - there aren't enough police cells, let alone enough police >time for them to treat all such cas...
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